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PostSubject: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:18 am

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=153034&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blabbermouth+

Satanic Warmaster kicked out of hellfest. Such bullshit they cant play yet Anal Cunt is still allowed to.

Who really gives a fuck what someones beliefs are, I bet is was that disturbed fucktard too.
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:20 am

So wait... A band called Satanic Warmaster was kicked out of a festival called Hellfest for being satanic?

What the fuck kind of shit is that?

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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:22 am

well actually they were kicked out because of werewolf's apparent NS beliefs
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:01 pm

Oh, I see. It didn't say anything about that in the article that I saw.

Still, who cares? Didn't Nachtmystium have some problems with that a few years ago?

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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:20 pm

Yeah, I heard about this a bit ago. It's quite bullshit.
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:37 pm

Bunch of derp.
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:38 pm

You're a bunch of derp.

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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:54 pm

DON'T BE CALLIN ME A DERP
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:25 pm

Satan kicked out of hell nooo!
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:24 pm

That's kind of lame. Mind you, you have to be an idiot of such gargantuan proportions to actually believe in national socialism that you probably should be allowed to have freedom of speech anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:32 pm

according to last.fm the third most tagged genre is "nsbm" but they state the lyrics are about war and the occult just like on Encyclopaedia Metallum.
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:30 pm

I think France is almost as sensitive to anything Nazi-related as Germany currently is, so if Werewolf empathizes with that at all, then I can see why they would get kicked out of the festival.

Anal Cunt still being there though is quite silly
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:40 pm

its funny that there is this huge stigma attached to NS artists, but a group like amon amarth is universally embraced, despite celebrating an even more violent, warlike culture.

i dont sympathize or agree with national socialism mind you, but it seems like a pretty blatant double standard.
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:11 pm

That's because most people view Norse Mythology as badass rather than offensive.
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:13 pm

Maybe it's because everyone has a hard time taking Amon Amarth seriously. Or maybe it's because they're playing metal that hasn't been noted for the rampant idiocy surrounding it like black metal has, especially in terms of noted musicians speaking and acting out based purely on compeltely unfounded hatred. Or maybe it's because National Socialism caused the biggest debacle of the last 2 centuries whereas norse mythology has basically just faded out, and again it's likely hard for people that still believe in Odin, Thor, Ragnarok to be taken seriously (here in North America anyway).

I don't even know what exactly it is Amon Amarth believes in other than nordic mythology (which I don't really know anything about) but I can't imagine it's any worse than 'anyone that isn't germanic is a sub-human and should die' And even though there's a double standard (assuming you know something about norse mythology and aren't talking completely out of your ass which you probably are) I think it's fairly obvious why one would be treated a little more sensitively than the other.


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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:17 pm

Amon Amarth's lyrics range from being about viking warfare and Thor badassery, to the couple tracks here and there with some hatred toward Christianity.
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:20 pm

I'm not talking about their lyrics so much as I'm talking about the band members' beliefs. Like I say, I find it really hard to believe that whatever philosophy they follow is as bad or worse than National Socialism.
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:21 pm

Ah I see. I have no idea what their beliefs are. I don't think they're outspoken about them at all.
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:25 pm

their philosophy is "we want to sail up and down europe raping and pillaging like our ancestors"

its got nothing to do with norse mythology. they celebrate the viking lifestyle itself.
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:28 pm

Links?

And lol if true, no wonder nobody takes them seriously.

And that is not nearly as bad as National Socialisms beliefs. That just sounds like anarchy.
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:37 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oXITU16wGo

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"Save us, oh lord, from the wrath of the Norsemen"


and you cant say "im not talking about their lyrics". lyrics are the statement that accompany the music, and by publishing them you attach yourself to them.

also, how can you say the vikings were "not nearly as bad" as the nazis? vikings would sail into a town, brutally murder every man, rape every woman, and take the children as slaves. if anything the nazis were more humane in their methods of slaughter.
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:48 pm

They attach themselves to them, but seeing as how they've apparently made no statements regarding their personal beliefs, the lyrics come down to itnerpretation. Considering how over the top their themes, image, and lyrics are, I interpret their shit more as them trying to be as ridiculous as possible. Such is the case with most metal, I don't see Amon Amarth as being any different (lol synchronized head banging). They attach themselves to it, it doens't mean they belive it. It's kind of like Anal Cunt. He attaches himself to all the goofy shit he says, doesn't mean he believes (clearly in their case he's just trying to be as offensive as possible).

and lol if you think the nazis were humane with their methods of slaughter compared to what you just said. Go read about Auschwitz or any of the other concentration camps you douchebag. Better yet, read up about Unit 731, or any of the other human experiment laboratories. Yeah I think I'd rather be axed in half or raped as opposed to being subjected to intense amounts of radiation to see the effects it would have on my body because the people doing it were taking me to be the same as a lab rat.

And furthermore, any documentation we have on what the vikings did in all likelihood comes from the countries they pillaged, and ergo, are completely biased and overexaggerated. Maybe not, but it wouldn't surprise me if what you've read was. You know for being a university student you're pretty bad at this research thing.

And you're missing my point anyway. I'm saying the belief in National Socialism is worse than that of the vikings. "LET'S GO RAPE AND PLUNDER" for our own gain is not as bad as 'We must purify the entire human race by any means necessary'. The way you've made it sound, Vikings sound more like pirates than anything else. Again, I'm not saying there isn't a double standard, but it's clear as to why one is favoured over the other (and picking over double standards is kind of like splitting hairs anyway considering that all of western society is based on them anyway).
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:52 pm

I think talking about Norse mythology is nowhere near as bad as promoting the nazi mentality.

I'm actually having a hard time understanding why you would think the two are comparable. As far as I know, Amon Amarth don't actually go around raping, murdering, and pillaging. But these guys in NSBM actually do believe the shit they say. They actually do think that people are inferior to them because of where they're from or whatever else shit. In my eyes, Amon Amarth put on an act. They're not rapist or murderers or actual have any real thoughts of doing it. It's entertainment. NSBM guys actually believe some of the stuff they say about race and hatred. And they would actually want to act on it. They're not doing it for show or entertainment. They are behind that mentality 100%. That's the way I see it.

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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:01 pm

Dude, the guy just said that the vikings made the nazis humane. I acutally don't even know why I responded after that because the stupidity surrounding that statement is actually quite offensive to me. It is painfully clear that he's just grasping at straws and has no idea what he's talking about (big surprise) and only said that to try to sound clever. There's no way he's acutally going to get what we're trying to say.
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PostSubject: Re: I cant believe bullshit like this continues to happen in metal   Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:03 pm

Cghost21 wrote:
And you're missing my point anyway. I'm saying the belief in National Socialism is worse than that of the vikings. "LET'S GO RAPE AND PLUNDER" for our own gain is not as bad as 'We must purify the entire human race by any means necessary'.

actually, you're missing my point. human history is absolutely full of violent peoples/nations who killed others in the name of religion, or commerce, or racism, or just for the sake of killing. the nazis believed anyone who didnt look a certain way deserved to die. the vikings believed anyone who wasn't capable of defending themselves deserved to die. is one worse than the other? to me they seem the same.

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And furthermore, any documentation we have on what the vikings did in all likelihood comes from the countries they pillaged, and ergo, are completely biased and overexaggerated. Maybe not, but it wouldn't surprise me if what you've read was. You know for being a university student you're pretty bad at this research thing.

this goes both ways. you cant discredit my sources while holding yours up as a beacon of truth. as you know, history is written by the victors. the stories of nazi atrocities could be exaggerated just as easily as those of the vikings.

Cghost21 wrote:
Yeah I think I'd rather be axed in half or raped as opposed to being subjected to intense amounts of radiation to see the effects it would have on my body because the people doing it were taking me to be the same as a lab rat.

speaking of splitting hairs

Cghost21 wrote:
Dude, the guy just said that the vikings made the nazis humane.

yeah, i actually didnt say that, but thanks for failing at reading comprehension.
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