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PostSubject: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:30 pm

Do you enjoy games where you have to lose something at some point? I'm talking about games where you have to lose a battle (impossible to win) for the story to progress or you lose a character (they die or something you don't get them back).

There are a couple of games that come to mind but my memory is fuzzy.

Some RPGs require you to lose a battle, you can't win it, for the story to progress. Seems like a giant cock tease to me. (I forget the example on this one).

I'm pretty sure you're supposed to lose the first Blitzball game in FFX. My friend almost won once but he lost like in the last minute, it was BS.

Or Final Fantasy Tactics there are plenty of characters who die or leave your party that you never get back, talking about main characters here.

Personally I enjoy them, though it is kind of disorenting when you lose. You think you're screwed and then you say oh I was supposed to lose.

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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:00 pm

The very first fight in Super Metroid...

Anyway, it doesn't bother me much. But I'm sure it's a pain in the ass during RPGs if you use a lot of your items during the fight.

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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:39 pm

I think one of the Shining Force games has a battle you have to lose too.
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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:35 pm

It sucks when you think it's a fight you think you can't win... but then it turns out you're getting your ass kicked terribly.

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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:54 am

I think worse is battles that take a long time to beat and then you fail.

Two games come to mind. Front Mission 4 and Vandal Hearts 2 - Both games maybe a battle would be an hour long and you could lose right towards the end. Plain
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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:55 am

An hour? That's crazy.

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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:04 am

Its a massive tease when you think you're going to win a battle only to have the boss pull off some bullshit super attack that wipes your team out and then the story goes on. Losing characters doesn't bother me that much unless they were a great character.

You can win the first Blitzball match in FFX. It isn't an easy match even if you get the Jecht shot before the match.
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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:26 pm

You wouldn't have that ability it's early on in the game and part of the story.
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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:24 pm

The Jecht shot can be obtained when your on the boat from Kilika to Luca. When he is on deck you have to complete the little mini-game where he is trying to kick the ball that is sitting on the deck whilst he has Jecht's insults going through his head. Winning or losing the first match means little anyway. Only difference is that you get an item and slightly different dialogue once Wakka leaves the team.
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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:49 pm

Well win lose or draw it's still hard, seemingly impossible.
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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:43 am

I've only pulled off a win once. Only way to do it is score a goal and then get the ball back and just pass it between your two defenders at the back and try and count down the clock.
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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:18 am

There's this one fight after the first quarter or so of Tales of Symphonia that's possible to win, but you're not required to, and it's very difficult to win in. I didn't know this going in, so I used up a bunch of important items trying to win, and when I still ended up dying, yet the story continued on, I just restarted the game and didn't try on that fight so I wouldn't have to buy back those items again.

I guess in general, they don't bother me too greatly. There are also fights in Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door and Disgaea: Hour of Darkness that are impossible to win, but I love those games, so they must not bother me too much Tongue
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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:36 pm

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I've only pulled off a win once. Only way to do it is score a goal and then get the ball back and just pass it between your two defenders at the back and try and count down the clock.

So you've replayed the game multiple times to get to that part? :p
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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:08 am

I've played through X about 3 times. Only beaten it once. The other two times I never sat down and went all the way through the game. I've always wanted to unlock all the optional bosses and take them all down. X has some rather challenging hidden bosses to fight.
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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:59 pm

Hidden bosses?

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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:10 pm

They are over in that one tent in that area. Yeah!
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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:20 pm

that tent with that stuff??
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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:53 am

I don't remember any hidden bosses... but I'm pretty sure I beat every boss in the game.

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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:28 pm

It's out in that one area where you ride the chocobo. There's like a tent filled with a bunch of bosses.
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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:05 pm

I remember some assholes in the middle of the field.

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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:22 pm

It's hard to tell you exactly where because I haven't played the game in what 6 years?
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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:30 pm

I can't play it anymore either because my PS2 is now a piece of crap.

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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:04 am

The monster arena. Dark aeons. Those are some. Hidden or optional, choose whatever term fits best.
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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:30 am

Oh... The monster arena? I wouldn't consider those hidden bosses.

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PostSubject: Re: Games where you are required to lose. Do you like them?   Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:35 am

Some of them did require certain conditions to be met before you could challenge them. A large sum of them were incredibly difficult to defeat.
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